The Filth of Homosexuality

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THE FILTH OF HOMOSEXUALITY

Following is a simple, but disturbing email I received and my response.

THE EMAIL:

Message:
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>Subject:
>From: “gurpareet bains” gbains@hn.ozemail.com.au
>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:56:25 +1000
>To: Robert T. Lee
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>That section about homosexuality is absolute filth.
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MY RESPONSE:

Surely you are blind. You view the truth against homosexuality as filth and the filth and evil of homosexuality as cleanliness. What a terrible tragedy!

Have you not understood how vile and filthy the act of homosexuality is? Do you not perceive the need for personal hygiene? Wouldn’t a hygienically conscious male consider a female to be very filthy if her vagina was filled with excrement and he got it and its stench on himself during the sexual act? That is how filthy the act of homosexuality is, even when it is performed by senators, congressmen, doctors, attorneys, newspaper editors, teachers, celebrities and etc. Homosexuality is an extremely filthy act regardless of who performs it.

Homosexuals also perform oral anal sex. That is even more unclean! By doing so, they ingest human feces. Don’t you understand how filthy human feces is? It can carry all kinds of terrible diseases, including typhoid, cholera, amoebic dysentery, the Aids virus, hepatitis A, worms, bacteria and bowel inflictions. Who but nasty totally depraved maggots enjoy having colon or anal sex even when they know they will get feces, its stench and bring its diseases upon themselves!

Not only is the act of homosexuality physically filthy, but it is also morally filthy. So why do you say that anyone who opposes homosexuality speaks filth and you do not regard the act of homosexuality filth? Your sympathy for homosexuality proves you to be a very filthy person.

The terrible immoral and physical uncleanliness of homosexuality makes it the next moral crime to bestiality. If one does not have moral scruples against committing the verminous unnatural act of homosexuality, he or she will not scruple against the filthy and unnatural act of bestiality. This is one of the things that make the act of homosexuality so vile and heinous. When depraved humans get adjusted to practicing and receiving pleasure from a particular level of depravity, they will not remain satisfied with the degree of degraded pleasure they receive in that realm, but will begin to lust for the pleasure that can be derived from the next level. For those who derive sinful pleasure from the act of homosexuality, the next level is bestiality (Leviticus 18:22-23). Homosexuals are not called “dogs” by God in the Bible for nothing (Deuteronomy 23:18). Now you know the true origin of Aids among mankind. It had its origin from homosexuals who had and continue to have anal, genital and oral sex with animals. Now you understand one reason God forbids fornication. The next time you get ready to have illicit sex of whatever type, you might want to ask: “With whom or with what kind of animal did this person last copulate with?”

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32 Comments on “The Filth of Homosexuality”

  1. ration_al Says:

    what about christian hetrosexual couples who have anal sex? Are they immoral too?

    Let me guess- the lord has made an exception for them?

    • chris Says:

      You can’t truly be both a Christian and a homosexual. That’s like a white guy saying he’s a “Caucasian African-american. It’s impossible


  2. Can you name just one couple?
    Oh….let me guess… you can’t.

  3. ration_al Says:

    your right, out of the billions of hetrosexual couples in this world (im assuming you know them all and what they get up to in their bedrooms) none of them have anal sex.Ever.Its impossible.

    you speak about homosexuality being wrong as if its a fact. How can a sexual preference be a fact?


  4. I hate that noise! It goes right through me!
    You know, the noise that the legs of the
    tables make against the floor, when
    someone’s trying to turn them.
    You made the claim now put up or shut up.
    You stated that Christian heterosexuals have anal sex, and now I’m asking you to name just one, and you can’t.
    And interesting request, in a thread asking
    those who claim homosexuality is normal,
    to provide proof and to be ready to discuss,
    in their own words, in detail, how and why
    some reference proves their claim.I already stated that the world would be devoid of life within one generation if everyone were gay.Proof from science is proof enough.God created Adam and Eve,not Adam and Steve.

  5. ration_al Says:

    ever heard of ted haggard?

    you know- the ted haggard who likes meth and guy sex?

    ill trust youll be providing some solid evidence that we were created by god as well?


  6. Sure I heard of Ted Haggard.
    He’s the non-Christian queer that claimed to be a Christian.
    So what’s your point?

  7. ration_al Says:

    hmmm he seemed pretty christian to me: he ran a church, called himself a pastor and rejected the theory of evolution.

    I guess thats the best thing about being a christian- when you hear things you don’t like you can just outright deny their existance, especially in the face of evidence.

    There is no evidence of god- ‘lies!’,
    santa claus doesn’t exist- ‘more lies!’
    ted haggard is a christian- ‘its not true!’

    Im sorry my friend but one day you will have to realise that ‘holy people’ you so dearly admire are nothing more than liars, hypocrits and biggots.


  8. That’s the operative word,” seemed”.
    You are also one of those same stalwarts that think that Hitler was a Christian.
    Doesn’t matter what he called himself, he didn’t walk the walk. As well guess that’s the best thing about being a God-Hater- when you hear things you don’t like you can just outright deny their existence, especially in the face of evidence.
    On the last part of your tirade….Have you been checked for Tourette’s yet? Oh, and use the spell check next time okay?

  9. DA Says:

    There is plenty of evidence to suggest that homosexuality is, to a great extent, genetic and hormonal.

    A brain sexual dimorphism controlled by adult circulating androgens By: Cooke, Bradley M.; Tabibnia, Golnaz; Breedlove, S. Marc Source: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, Vol. 96 (13). June 22, 1999. 7538-7540.

    A linkage between DNA markers on the X chromosome and male sexual orientation D. H. Hamer, S. Hu, V. L. Magnuson, N. Hu, A. M. Pattatucci, Science 261, 321 (1993)

    Biological versus nonbiological older brothers and men’s sexual orientation.
    A. F. Bogaert (2006) PNAS 103, 10771-10774

    Genetics and Male Sexual Orientation Dean H. Hamer Science 6 August 1999:
    Vol. 285. no. 5429, p. 803

    Stooge Sez:
    Homosexual behavior is destructive, wrong and — most important — changeable. Nevertheless, despite years of brainwashing by public schools, and popular culture designed to re-program their minds into thinking that “gay” is good (or at least no big deal), most American young people recognize, deep in their God-informed consciences, that homosexuality is unnatural, and wrong. It’s sort of like liberal adults who take pride in their ”tolerance” until they are confronted with the reality of what homosexuals actually do (perversion) — and they react with disgust (the “ick” factor) like everyone else.
    Regarding your citations,scientific guess factoring are a dime a dozen.
    For every alleged article you can show me that homosexuality is normal,I’ll show you 10 that disagree.

    Robert Spitzer, M.D., the prominent psychiatrist who helped remove homosexuality from the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic Manual’s list of disorders in 1973, recently gave a presentation to the APA presenting results of his study demonstrating that some homosexuals can change their desires to heterosexual. This surprising development, reported on May 9, 2001 at the annual APA convention in New Orleans, has been reported in many forums (though largely ignored by the mainstream press). Several online stories can be found such as the article by Robert H. Knight, “‘Gays’ Can Change, Psychiatrist Tells APA,” May 9, 2001, for Concerned Women for America, available online at http://www.cwfa.org/library/family/2001-05-09_hs-change.shtml and the article Latest Scientific Research: Those Struggling with Homosexuality Can Be Set Free at http://www.reclaimamerica.org/. Another good summary is available from The National Catholic Register.
    Spitzer found what many former homosexuals have already demonstrated: homosexuals can change. That orientation is not necessarily innate and unchangeable.
    http://www.jefflindsay.com/gays.html

    Medical Arguments Against Homosexuality

    http://www.iidb.org/vbb/archive/index.php/t-61398.html

    Gays Die Sooner: Implications for Adoption

    http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2007/03/27/gays-die-sooner-implications-for-adoption/

    How many would you like?
    I’ve got thousands.

  10. HappyHeathen Says:

    I am friends with a straight couple who have anal sex. Both ways! I lived with a straight couple who also played that way. I imagine if that’s two straight couples that only one person knows, there must be many many more.

    Edward O. Laumann’s The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States found that about 20% of heterosexuals have engaged in anal sex, and sex researcher Alfred Kinsey found that number to be closer to 40%. In several cultures (such as the Mediterranean area and Latin America) and countries (such as Brazil, where almost 50% of the population practices anal sex [1] ( Source )), female receptive anal intercourse is widely accepted amongst heterosexuals, not only for the pleasures involved, but also as a method of contraception and as a way of preserving female virginity (or at least preserving an intact hymen until marriage).

    Atheist Stooge sez:
    “The topic was Christians practicing anal sex dolt or can’t you read properly.”

  11. Noble Savage Says:

    Can someone please explain to me why love becomes evil when the body parts are similar?

    Use logic in your answer please, not Bible quotes.

    Oh that’s fresh….I give you science and you purposefully ignore it.
    Here’s the repost.
    It becomes evil when it has the potential to wipe out the human race were it suddenly practiced by every living thing.
    It is anti-life.
    Can you dispute that fact?
    Yes or no?
    No opinons just give me science.

  12. ration_al Says:

    stooges: you thought haggard was ‘walking the walk’ the whole time he was working the church and getting ‘massages’ at the same time.

    if he didnt get caught for what he did you’d still think he was ‘walking the walk’. Its only a crime if somebody finds out, right?

    Ill leave you with a quote from hitler:

    “The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf


  13. The topic is Haggard’s Christianity.
    He professed it, but was far from being a true Christian.
    He was a pretender just like you pretend that you don’t believe in a supreme being.

    Let me leave you with a quote:

    Atheists identified as America’s most distrusted minority, according to new U of M study
    What:U of M study reveals America’s distrust of atheism
    Who:Penny Edgell, associate professor of sociology
    Contact:Nina Shepherd, sociology media relations, (612) 599-1148
    Mark Cassutt University News Service, (612) 624-8038

  14. ration_al Says:

    Your claim that christians don’t have anal sex has been torn apart. You can try and dodge it by saying ‘he wasnt a true christian’ but the fact is he was a christian pastor who denounced homosexuality while at the same time having a homosexual relationship.

    Claims are not proof, and your claim that Haggard was a Christian has already been dismantled with amazing clarity.
    Christians are not nor do they condone homosexuality.

    Sure, he was a pretender. But all christians are pretenders. You can’t be a christian without pretending. Some of us grow out of pretending, like pretending there is a tooth fairy and that santa claus exists. Hypocrisy is actually a pre-requisite of christianity, the bible says to kill but then not to kill therefore Ted Haggard is more christian then you.

    This kind of statement is quite common in atheist circles. It is inflammatory, illogical, and paranoid.

    Its of no surprise that most Americans regard atheists as untrustworthy. Thats because the majority (christians)fear people who manage to live happy and constructive lives without needing to rely on imaginary friends.

    This answers begs a different set of criteria.
    If you read the article (Which you did not) you’d have discovered that Atheists are untrustworthy due to their lacking a moral compass.

    Being around other people who share their narrow minded, hate filled diatribe gives christians the sense of meaning that the bible simply can’t deliver. Its comforting for you to surround yourself amoungst others that share your immature homophobic opinions as it reinforces the idea that your right about everything. Why learn how to think for yourself when you can just follow the flock? No need to inquire or meditate on the issues when everything worth knowing is available in a concise book!

    The christian mind bares similar resemblance to that of an emotionally suspended child.

    Your posting of that study is the embodiment of christian thought- “Because the majority thinks it, it must be true”

    Unfortunatly reality speaks volumes on who is most trustworthy when it comes to athiests vs christians. You people are willing to believe that a god exists for the simple reason that it says so in a book so how can you be trusted?

    Are these the statements of tolerance, impartiality, truth, and sound judgment? Not at all. It seems to me that if the God-Hater who authored the above quotes were in power, with their views of religion being cruel, evil, and unreasonable, would they then either imprison the ‘offenders’ or legislate complete and total annihilation of all things religious? Who would then be full of hatred, malice, and bigotry? It is something to ponder. Does atheism really teach freedom? No. It teaches bondage for its adherents and for those who disagree with it.
    You are little more than a chattering howler monkey.
    Bet you’re proud of that as well.

  15. Noble Savage Says:

    I see, so we’re using the “can’t have children” argument are we? This is not “evil”, at least not using any of the definitions of evil that I’m familiar with, but let that go.

    Would you then say that my heterosexual relationship with a woman that I nearly married who was infertal was “evil”? We were planning to adopt. Was I contributing to the apparently impending underpopulation doom of the human race (which last time I checked, overpopulation was the problem)? Or did our dissimilar body parts somehow make a difference here and if so, how?

    —————————
    I see, so you’re using the heterosexual appeal, when we are talking homosexual here.
    Strawman arguments aside,not being able to have children when one is in a homosexual relationship is evil.
    It is sinful,and it is perverted.
    You are a pervert.
    btw,no response to the propagation of the human race fact huh?

  16. Noble Savage Says:

    I’m not sure what “heterosexual appeal” is (never studied that logical fallacy or did you mean to say that I’m sexy in the eyes of the ladies (if so, thanks) ) or how that fits the “strawman”. Clarify?

    Dear Fool,
    Have you considered the fact that your brain is a logical fallacy?
    Explain how heterosexual appeal is a logical fallacy?
    Go ahead and explain that statement.

    You say that not being able to have children in a homosexual relationship is “evil”. Was my straight relationship with an infertal woman also “evil” or did the heterosexuality of our childless relationship it make it good?

    If the former, than what you’re railing against is childless relationships (which btw I did address by pointing out that overpopulation, not underpopulation, is the problem facing humanity). If the latter, than we’re back to similar-body-parts-makes-love-“evil” and the childless nature of it is just a pretext. If this is the case, than please answer the question: why does love become evil when the body parts are similar?

    Btw, calling me a “pervert” is an ad hominem (since you brought up the topic of logical fallacies).

    My dearest fool,
    Let me give it to you in the terminology a monkey could understand.
    What-does-this-have-do with-homosexual-sex?
    H-e-t-e-r-o s-e-x i-s n-o-t t-h-e s-a-m-e.
    Only perverts and synchphants think with the skewered logic that you use.
    The world began with hertosexuality-is continuing to thrive with heterosexuality and, ahmen will end with it.
    Homosexuality is a filth and a perversion.
    Surely you are blind. You view the truth against homosexuality as filth and the filth and evil of homosexuality as cleanliness. What a terrible tragedy!

    Have you not understood how vile and filthy the act of homosexuality is? Do you not perceive the need for personal hygiene? Wouldn’t a hygienically conscious male consider a female to be very filthy if her vagina was filled with excrement and he got it and its stench on himself during the sexual act? That is how filthy the act of homosexuality is, even when it is performed by senators, congressmen, doctors, attorneys, newspaper editors, teachers, celebrities and etc. Homosexuality is an extremely filthy act regardless of who performs it.

    Homosexuals also perform oral anal sex. That is even more unclean! By doing so, they ingest human feces. Don’t you understand how filthy human feces is? It can carry all kinds of terrible diseases, including typhoid, cholera, amoebic dysentery, the Aids virus, hepatitis A, worms, bacteria and bowel inflictions. Who but nasty totally depraved maggots enjoy having colon or anal sex even when they know they will get feces, its stench and bring its diseases upon themselves!

    Not only is the act of homosexuality physically filthy, but it is also morally filthy. So why do you say that anyone who opposes homosexuality speaks filth and you do not regard the act of homosexuality filth? Your sympathy for homosexuality proves you to be a very filthy person.

    ————————

  17. DA Says:

    –How many would you like?
    I’ve got thousands.–

    Do you have any not based on bigotry but science. I think that you have homosexual tendencies which is why you are such a bigot. People who are attracted to the same sex are homosexual, no matter what you may call yourself.

    http://www.oogachaga.com/downloads/homophobia_and_homosexual_arousal.pdf

    HOMOSEXUALITY
    THE COST TO SOCIETY
    by DR. MUHAMMED A. ASADI
    http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/sex/s_homo_cost.htm

    Of all topics most popular in today’s media, issues concerning homosexuals and homosexuality in general top the list. Homosexuality is generally defined as a sexual relationship between partners of the same sex. Debate concerning its causes and consequences has been going on for many centuries and almost in every period in human history. However, never before in human history has it been granted such wide scale acceptance in western society as it has now. The question that I seek to answer in this paper is whether such wide scale acceptance should in fact be granted to homosexual behavior? Is such behavior rational, scientifically functional or is it actually detrimental to the high level of civilization that we’ve achieved?
    I) THE SCIENTIFIC PERSPECTIVE:

    Scientifically speaking, sex is a means to an end. The end being the propagation of the human race. This end can never be fulfilled by sex between males (in the case of gays) or between females (in the case of lesbians). Therefore, the general conclusion is that homosexuality is irrational and illogical.

    If we consider the construction of the bodies of the male and female, what is noticed at once is that the construction of a body of a male (the penis and the anus- i.e no vagina) does not accommodate having sex with another male. Nor does the construction of a body of a female (no penis, a vagina) accommodate sex with another female. What is obvious to common sense is that the construction and location of specific sexual organs in the bodies of a male and a female accommodate sex between a male and a female and not among members of the same sex. Therefore, the conclusion once again is that homosexuality is an unnatural and an irrational behavior.

    The case with birth control is different to the “cause effect” argument above [this point was brought up in my meeting in class with the SMSU (Southwest Missouri State) Gay Lesbian Alliance]. Birth control is simply the further delaying or prevention of a naturally occurring delaying process. The egg (ovum), which when fertilized develops into a zygote, which then eventually develops into the fetus, is released in the female’s body in a specific period of time and pregnancy is caused only if a sperm fuses with the egg in that specific time period. If the egg is not fertilized during that period, then the cycle in humans ends in menstruation (Encyclopedia Britannica, vol 26, Macropaedia 701-703)

    II) THE PSYCHOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE:

    It was clearly recognized by experts who were objective and unprejudiced, that psychologically speaking homosexuality is an abnormal behavior. However large scale lobbying by homosexuals and certain psychologists brought in biases into this scientific field of inquiry and hence the truth got masked and the results are stated below:

    “Before 1973 the DSM [Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders] listed homosexuality as a sexual disorder. Protests by gay activist groups and many psychotherapists eventually led to its elimination from the manual as a sexual disorder per se, but the DSM did retain a category called “ego dystotic homosexuality- the feeling of extreme distress over one’s homosexual preference”. DSM III R has dropped even this category, and the issue of homosexuality is no longer mentioned (Comer 480).”

    “Until the early 1970’s the U.S psychiatric establishment classified homosexuality as a mental illness, but that designation was dropped amid increased political activity and efforts by homosexuals to be seen as individuals exercising different sexual preferences rather than aberrant personalities (Encyclopedia Britannica, vol 6, 31).”

    Homosexuality is proven to be a learned behavior according to experiments with clinical cases of intersexuality. At puberty, the individuals in question were “generally attracted to the sex opposite to their sex of rearing [even if it be opposite to their genetic sex of males, having X Y chromosomes and females both X chromosomes] This suggests that sexual orientation is primarily established in post natal experiences (Encyclopedia Britannica, vol 27, 247)

    There has however been great debate concerning the nature versus nurture question concerning homosexuality:

    i) Brain Difference: The most recent one seems to indicate a certain difference in certain parts of the brains of homosexual people. What has however not been resolved is whether such difference in the brains was the cause or the effect of homosexual behavior. Further many people in the sample studied had Aids and Aids in its later stages affects the brain. Therefore no strong conclusions can scientifically be drawn from such a study.

    ii) Hormonal Differences: when hormones are artificially altered in female animal’s bodies [introducing excess androgen prenatally] it makes them behave more like males even showing mating preference for members of the same sex. (Britannica, vol 27 ,248-249).

    The same source however, also narrates that changing the hormone level postnatally does not mean that sexual preference for partners will change. The only thing that will change will be the arousal level.

    Therefore, based on the above, I believe I can justifiably conclude that abnormal sexual preference even when it becomes “normal” to a particular individual due to abnormal circumstances like the above, can be controlled. If every male took his sexual desires towards every attractive female to their conclusion, you can well imagine the galloping rate of rapes in this or any other society. Just because certain individuals experience sexual desires towards members of the same sex, because something went wrong somewhere, does not at all mean that they should engage in homosexual behavior or that their behavior be accepted without question or search for a solution.
    III) THE RELIGIOUS PERSPECTIVE:

    There is absolutely no doubt that Christianity, Judaism and Islam, the three most widely embraced religions in America condemn homosexual behavior in the strongest terms:

    According to the Old Testament the Koran, the people of Lot were destroyed because they engaged in homosexual behavior and were unrepenting and un accepting of God’s admonishment (Holy Bible, Genesis chapter 13, 14, 18, 19; Koran 7:80-84; 4:16 etc)
    In the book of Romans, in the Bible [New Testament], Paul states:
    “Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error (Romans 1:22-27).”

    The above verse also condemns those who worship God in the image of a man i.e those who believe in the concept of a “God- incarnate”.
    IV) SOCIAL CONSEQUENCES:

    i) Aids: Among the groups that have directly and indirectly contributed to the wide scale spread of Aids to even innocent patients like children are homosexuals and their practice of anal sex.

    “There are specific behaviors that place people at a high risk for Aids. The first is anal sex which can cause rectal bleeding and thereby allow easy transmission of HIV. This practice is therefore extremely dangerous and, of course, the greater the number of sexual partners, the greater the risk. Anal sex is commonly practiced by Gay males in some cases with many sexual partners. For this reason about two thirds of persons with Aids are homosexual or bi-sexual males (Macionis 545).”

    The above statistic of two thirds shows the trend in the spread of Aids a few years after it was recognized as a threat (1987). Now the pattern may have changed due to the initial wide scale spread of Aids which the above statistic suggests was directly or indirectly the result of homosexual behavior among men.

    Aids results in many national cost problems too:
    “….The cost of treating Aids already exceeds $150,000 per person and may rise further as new therapies develop….Added to the direct medical costs are the tens of billions of dollars in lost earnings and productivity…There is little doubt that Aids is a medical and social problem of monumental proportions (Macionis 545).”

    GENERAL CONCLUSION
    According to common sense, science, logic, psychology and religion – i.e all those aspects of present society, that have contributed to its civilization, homosexuality is irrational, illogical, abnormal and an immoral behavior. Those who practice is should not be personally condemned but their behavior should and solutions to their ills be found, and the free practice of homosexual behavior be stopped, so that our society prospers. If clear and concrete evidence were indeed found in the other direction, I would gladly change my above conclusions. Therefore let our end be towards the truth!

    “..What is left after the truth except error? How then are you turned away.”(Koran10:32)

    WORKS CITED

    Comer, Ronald J. Abnormal Psychology. New York, W.H Freeman Co, 1992
    Holy Bible, Revised Standard Version, Iowa, World Bible Publishers Inc, 1971.
    “Homosexuality”, Encyclopaedia Britannica, vol 6 (Micropaedia). 15th ed, 1990
    Koran. Translation, Picthall, M. Marmaduke, Lahore, Taj co 1981.
    Macionis, John J. Sociology. New Jersey, Prentice Hall International, 1987.
    “Reproduction Reproductive Systems”, Encyclopaedia Britannica,vol 26 (Macropaedia), 15th ed. 1990.
    “Sex Sexuality”, Encyclopaedia Britannica, vol 27 (Macropaedia). 15th ed, 1990.

  18. ration_al Says:

    Ive begun to worship my own god, L-D167. He is the only god, i know this because i can feel his power in me so it must be true.

    In the book that was written by L-D167 it says homosexuality is ok and perfectly moral.

    Can you prove me wrong?

    As you might know God-Haters such as yourself tend to calm down when they hit their 30’s (usually) due to biological and sociological life changes. Although they do “calm down” it can be argued that they are in a way a non-practicing sociopath, if that makes sense. Personally I think although change is possible, “complete change” is very hard. Most atheists and therefore sociopaths develop this behavioural trait over many years of development which shapes them to be sociopathic. It is very hard to change such a long term behaviour, since being atheist/sociopathic is not like a mental flu/virus which you catch and then become sociopathic until treated.
    Indeed atheism much like stupidity can be cured but is generally treatment resistant.

  19. Noble Savage Says:

    Tsk tsk, now you’ve gone and called me a “fool”. You really shouldn’t have done that. Now Jesus is going to send you to Hell:

    Matthew 5:22 …but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

    GSB: 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, {a} [There is] no God.

    Oh, and you’ve also committed the logical fallacy “ad hominem”

    Really where, and how?
    Oh I get it now….. you’ll dodge this question just like the others, and move onto another question right?

    Your followup “argument” is just circular reasoning. It’s evil because it’s evil. You still haven’t explained why love becomes evil when the body parts are similar.

    It is also noted that you have now been posting one message after another, in which you have thrown personal insults at me,ignored my arguments and now wish to lie and try to convince someone else that I am guilty of circular reasoning. No monkey, it is you who ran away from the truth. I exposed your fantasy as a fantasy, and you didn’t like that much. Anyone can go back through the threads and see this for themselves .

    The “science” in the following post doesn’t come from a reputable source.
    Here, let me give you some food for thought:
    http://www.godvsthebible.com/chapter12.htm

    Yea that’s fresh,point me to your stupid website which is nothing more than an archive of posts by other God-Haters just like yourself.What you actually mean is that I tell the truth and I show everyone what a liar you are, and that makes you angry and you post messages saying that I’m guilty of circular reasoning.
    Doensn’t work.

    Because Christianity demonizes both straight and gay sex, sanctifying celibacy instead, it works against Nature and Nature’s God. It’s very unhealthy for the spirit. It’s both an unhealthy and illogical lifestyle choice.

    So in other words you get to pick and choose what is science and what is not.
    Though you have no education and are here simply because you hate God and would like to
    destroy theists is sadly telling.You are weak….very weak indeed and have no idea that your emotions
    do not substitute as science or fact.

  20. ration_al Says:

    stooges:

    you didnt answer my question- you sidestepped.

    I know my god (L-D167) is the only god and that his word is final and absolute when it comes to homosexuality being morally acceptable.

    So i’ll ask you again- can you prove me and my god wrong?

    And again see my previous thread.
    Redefining words to mean whatever you want them to mean. (Also known as the “Humpty Dumpty” defense.) is a sure sign of a troll.
    I find it interesting how the evolutionists, and God-Haters, when shown just how ridiculous what they believe is, deny what they believe?
    It’s even funnier when they think anybody will buy this type of reasoning.

  21. Noble Savage Says:

    Well, I think this conversation has gone as far as it will for now, since we’re down to ad hominems and emotional outbursts from you. Truth be told, I’m not surprised. You can’t answer the question, “Why does love become evil when the body parts are similar?” because there is no answer except that the Bible tells you so. It makes no logical sense but that’s the Bible for you. I hope someday you can embrace God’s Gift of Reason and leave this cult behind.

    I answered that question already and all you’ve done is descend into being a troll by repeatedly asking me for an answwer when I already gave it.
    The fact is, you claim to be all about freedom and truth, but what you really want, is your agenda, and lies approved and any opposition silenced.That isn’t freedom. When will you learn that 10 minutes on an atheist web page and some short (and skewered) study of some critical thinking website,(of which you are incapable of) does not make you a Biblical expert.
    But… but … if we don’t let them and their sick cult have their way, they’ll pull out the persecution card.
    You see, this is the best you have for an argument. You are a fool, who seeks to destroy PEOPLE, not arguments.You think that people should take you seriously and yet, you act like an immature little child. This is because you realize that you would not be able to go toe to toe with someone who has a brain.

  22. ration_al Says:

    stooges: my reason for saying homosexuality is moral is exactly the same reason you give for saying homosexuality is immoral

    so i’ll ask you again, how can you prove me wrong and you right?

    And I’ll answer it again,that would be a tough question if it werent already answered by the vast majority of the people as well as the Holy Bible of God the Father.
    Not only is it unclean as well as unhygenic as already pointed out the great heinousness of homosexuality does not stop with the nasty acts of gay or homosexual people, but also extends itself in many other ways into the societies. Homosexuals often like to have some kind of contact and influence on children. This is why they hang around Boy’s clubs, or become school teachers, and why many of them in America work at Walt Disney. Many of them are pedophiles and want to recruit or teach children to accept homosexuality.God has created only two genders among mankind. He has also given each person a unique identity. The fundamental identity of a person goes beyond physical properties and is also spiritual – primarily related to the soul of a person. A mild to drastic physical change will change the physical appearance of a person, but can do nothing to alter his or her true identity as it is rooted to his or her soul. Not even the greatest physical change, which is physical dissolution, can do the same. Therefore the true identity and gender of a person are immutable. There is nothing whatsoever that can be done to change the two. Once conceived in the womb, a person’s identity and gender remains the same forever because his soul lives forever.
    Since a person’s gender is part of his or her immutable identity, no person’s true gender can be changed. And since a person’s gender is united to his immutable identity and his identity goes beyond physical properties, then any physical changes he undergoes, be they mild or the most drastic, cannot alter the true gender of the person. The principle of “physical change” is well known in the field of science. It states that physical change “does not affect the composition (identity) of a substance.” When you sharpen a pencil, the pencil undergoes change, but it has the same composition or chemical properties. Even when a substance changes state, such as becoming a gas or liquid, the composition of the substance does not change. So-called “educated” people are thoroughly familiar with these facts, but it is only when they begin to talk about homosexuality that all common sense is lost and they begin to deceive themselves and the rest of gullible society. Even after a person dies, he is still regarded as “he” and she is still regarded as “she.” It is when people start talking about homosexuality do they start foolishly thinking a person’s real gender or identity can be changed.There is an ultimate reason why the genders of humans are immutable. It is because every person must ultimately stand before the judgment seat of God to give account of his deeds in this world (2 Corinthians 5:10; Matthew 16:27). If a person’s gender and identification can be changed, he or she would not be the same person on the Day of Judgment and would not receive the proper recompense for his life in this world. A complete change of identity and gender would defeat ultimate justice. The fact that God is going to raise from the dead every person who will have died when he returns (Revelation 20:11-13; 1 Corinthians 15), and the fact that each person’s true gender and identity will be known by Christ in order that they may receive just eternal damnation or reward, shows that the gender and identity of every person of mankind are eternally immutable.

    Class dismissed

  23. ration_al Says:

    [quote]And I’ll answer it again,that would be a tough question if it werent already answered by the vast majority of the people as well as the Holy Bible of God the Father.[/quote]

    but in the book my god wrote it says that we were born to do as we wished when it came to sexual choice, regardless of reproductive organs. So how do you know that your god is right and mine is wrong?

    Exactly what book are you reading? Cite the “we were born to do as we wished when it came to sexual choice, regardless of reproductive organs. ” passage as I’d love a good laugh when you address my request.

    Are you quoting this from actual study figures or are you just accepting the word of your local minister as absoulte truth again?

    C’mon be honest with yourself and admit that you havent had a hankering for a little boy’s ass because we all know you do or did at some point in the practice of your abominable lust.
    Abundant observations from National and local news for starters…..scientic articles next,minister third and last….let’s have an honest look at just a few known facts.

    [quote]Homosexuals often like to have some kind of contact and influence on children. This is why they hang around Boy’s clubs, or become school teachers, and why many of them in America work at Walt Disney. Many of them are pedophiles and want to recruit or teach children to accept homosexuality[/quote]

    Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children.

    Male Homosexuals Commit A Disproportionate Number of Child Sex Abuse Cases
    Homosexual apologists admit that some homosexuals sexually molest children, but they deny that homosexuals are more likely to commit such offenses. After all, they argue, the majority of child molestation cases are heterosexual in nature. While this is correct in terms of absolute numbers, this argument ignores the fact that homosexuals comprise only a very small percentage of the population.
    The evidence indicates that homosexual men molest boys at rates grossly disproportionate to the rates at which heterosexual men molest girls. To demonstrate this it is necessary to connect several statistics related to the problem of child sex abuse: 1) men are almost always the perpetrator; 2) up to one-third or more of child sex abuse cases are committed against boys; 3) less than three percent of the population are homosexuals. Thus, a tiny percentage of the population (homosexual men), commit one-third or more of the cases of child sexual molestation.

    Homosexual Pedophiles are Vastly Overrepresented in Child Sex Abuse Cases
    Homosexual pedophiles sexually molest children at a far greater rate compared to the percentage of homosexuals in the general population. A study in the Journal of Sex Research found, as we have noted above, that “approximately one-third of [child sex offenders] had victimized boys and two-thirds had victimized girls.” The authors then make a prescient observation: “Interestingly, this ratio differs substantially from the ratio of gynephiles (men who erotically prefer physically mature females) to androphiles (men who erotically prefer physically mature males), which is at least 20 to 1.” 17

    In other words, although heterosexuals outnumber homosexuals by a ratio of at least 20 to 1, homosexual pedophiles commit about one-third of the total number of child sex offenses.

    Similarly, the Archives of Sexual Behavior also noted that homosexual pedophiles are significantly overrepresented in child sex offence cases:

    The best epidemiological evidence indicates that only 2 to 4 percent of men attracted to adults prefer men (ACSF Investigators, 1992; Billy et al., 1993; Fay et al., 1989; Johnson et al., 1992); in contrast, around 25 to 40 percent of men attracted to children prefer boys (Blanchard et al., 1999; Gebhard et al., 1965; Mohr et al., 1964). Thus, the rate of homosexual attraction is 6 to 20 times higher among pedophiles.” 18

    The stark imbalance between homosexual and heterosexual child molestations was confirmed in the Archives of Sexual Behavior study itself, which divided 260 pedophile participants into three groups: “152 heterosexual pedophiles (men with offenses or self-reported attractions involving girls only), 43 bisexual pedophiles (boys and girls), and 65 homosexual pedophiles (boys only).” 19 In other words, 25 percent of the offenders were homosexual pedophiles — or 41 percent if those who molest girls as well as boys are included.

    Other studies report an unusually high percentage of child molestations by homosexual pedophiles:

    A study on pedophilia in the Psychiatric Journal of the University of Ottawa reported: “According to the literature, findings of a two-to-one ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles have been documented.” 20
    The Journal of Sex Research reports a study that included “199 offenders against female children and 96 offenders against male children. . . . This would indicate a proportional prevalence of 32 percent of homosexual offenders against children.” 21
    A study of male child sex offenders in Child Abuse and Neglect found that fourteen percent targeted only males, and a further 28 percent chose males as well as females as victims, thus indicating that 42 percent of male pedophiles engaged in homosexual molestation. 22

    Gay Apologists Insist on a Simplistic Stereotype of Pedophilia
    Central to the attempts to separate homosexuality from pedophilia is the claim that pedophiles cannot, by definition, be considered homosexuals. Relying upon a questionable methodology 23, the gay advocacy organization Human Rights Campaign published a “Fact Sheet on Sexual Orientation and Child Abuse,” that states: “A sexual abuser who molests a child of the same sex is usually not considered homosexual.” 24

    The basis for this claim is the view that pedophiles who molest boys cannot be considered homosexual if that individual has at any time been married or sexually involved with women.

    Homosexual Males are Sexually Attracted to Underage Boys
    A study in Archives of Sexual Behavior found that homosexual men are attracted to young males. The study compared the sexual age preferences of heterosexual men, heterosexual women, homosexual men, and lesbians. The results showed that, in marked contrast to the other three categories, “all but 9 of the 48 homosexual men preferred the youngest two male age categories,” which included males as young as age fifteen. 36

    Pedophile Themes Abound in Gay Literature
    The late “beat” poet Allen Ginsberg illustrates the seamless connection between homosexuality and pedophilia. Many know Ginsberg as an illustrious “out” homosexual poet: fewer are aware that he was also a pedophile.
    Biographer Raymond-Jean Frontain refers to Ginsberg’s publications in both nambla Bulletin and nambla Journal. He discusses how Ginsberg’s biographers failed to discuss his poems that contained pederastic themes:
    Although both Shumacher and Barry Miles (Ginsberg’s initial biographer) frankly discuss Ginsberg’s sexual politics, neither refers to his involvement with the controversial North American Man/Boy Love Association. . . . I reread Collected Poems and Ginsberg’s two subsequent collections, surprised by the pattern of references to anal intercourse and to pederasty that emerged. 54
    Ginsberg was one of the first of a growing number of homosexual writers who cater to the fascination with pedophilia in the gay community. Mary Eberstadt, writing in the Weekly Standard, documents how the taboo against sex with children continues to erode — with the impetus coming from homosexual writers. 55
    Revealingly, the examples she provides of pedophilia in current literature come from gay fiction. Eberstadt cites the Village Voice, which states that “Gay fiction is rich with idyllic accounts of ‘intergenerational relationships,’ as such affairs are respectfully called these days.” 56 Other examples of pedophilia-

    ….Notes
    1. Dawn Fisher, “Adult Sex Offenders: Who are They? Why and How Do They Do It?” in Tony Morrison, et al., eds., Sexual Offending Against Children (London: Routledge, 1994), p. 11.

    2. Kee MacFarlane, et al., Sexual Abuse of Young Children: Evaluation and Treatment (New York: The Guilford Press, 1986), p. 9.

    3. John Briere, et al., eds., The APSAC Handbook on Child Maltreatment (Thousand Oaks, California: Sage Publications, 1996), pp. 52, 53.

    4. Kurt Freund, et al., “Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and Erotic Age Preference,” Journal of Sex Research 26 (February 1989): 198. See also Freund (1992): “In females, pedophilia is either very rare, or virtually nonexistent,” p. 34.

    5. Bill Watkins & Arnon Bentovim, “The Sexual Abuse of Male Children and Adolescents: A Review of Current Research,” Journal of Child Psychiatry 33 (1992); in Byrgen Finkelman, Sexual Abuse (New York: Garland Publishing, 1995), p. 300.

    6. Ibid.

    7. Kurt Freund, et al., “Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality,” Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy 10 (1984): 197. “The proportional prevalence of offenders against male children in this group of 457 offenders against children was 36 percent.” See also, Kurt Freund, et al., “Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and Erotic Age Preference,” “Approximately one-third of these individuals had victimized boys and two-thirds had victimized girls. This finding is consistent with the proportions reported in two earlier studies,” p. 107.

    8. Watkins & Bentovim, p. 215.

    9. Robert L. Johnson, “Long-term Effects of Sexual Abuse in Boys,” Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality (September 1988): 38.

    10. “Understanding and Investigating Child Sexual Exploitation,” (U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, 1997), p. 12.

    11. Watkins & Bentovim, p. 302.

    12. Dan Black, et al., “Demographics of the Gay and Lesbian Population in the United States: Evidence from Available Systematic Data Sources,” Demography 37 (May 2000): 150.

    13. John O. G. Billy, et al., “The Sexual Behavior of Men in the United States,” Family Planning Perspectives 25 (March/April 1993): 58.

    14. J. Gordon Muir, “Homosexuals and the 10 percent Fallacy,” Wall Street Journal (March 31, 1993).

    15. Milton Diamond, “Homosexuality and Bisexuality in Different Populations,” Archives of Sexual Behavior 22 (1993): 300.

    16. Ibid. Significantly, a number of studies that were surveyed, and which skewed the overall percentages of homosexuals upwards, included such vague definers as those having had “any homosexual body contact.” In contrast, one study that was limited to self-identifying homosexuals found that less than 2 percent of the male respondents considered their “sexual orientation” to be homosexual, p. 293.

    17. Kurt Freund, et al., “Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, and Erotic Age Preference,” p. 107. In this and previous studies, Freund claims that homosexuals are no more likely than heterosexuals to be attracted to children (p. 115). However, Silverthorn, et al., mentions the limitations of studies by Freund and others: “Studies of homosexual male preferences are also limited. . . . The Freund et al. (1973) study was possibly compromised because the homosexual men used in the study were selected to be sexually attracted to adults, but not teenaged, males. The Bailey et al. (1994) study was limited in that it did not present participants with objective stimuli but simply asked participants to report what age of sexual partner they preferred . . . the Jankowiak et al. (1992) study . . . was limited in two ways: the homosexual male participants had a limited age range of ‘middle-aged professionals’ and the stimuli presented to participants were also of a limited age range (‘university to middle-aged’).” Silverthorn attempted to correct these deficiencies, and in his study found that homosexuals “preferred younger partners than those who preferred female partners” — including those as young as fifteen. Zebulon A. Silverthorne & Vernon L. Quinsey, “Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women,” Archives of Sexual Behavior 29 (February 2000): 67–76.

    18. Ray Blanchard, et al., “Fraternal Birth Order and Sexual Orientation in Pedophiles,” Archives of Sexual Behavior 29 (2000): 464.

    19. Ibid., p. 471.

    20. John M. W. Bradford, et al., “The Heterogeneity/Homogeneity of Pedophilia,” Psychiatric Journal of the University of Ottawa 13 (1988): 225. Elsewhere the study notes: “Researchers have variously estimated the incidence of homosexual pedophilia between 19 percent and 33 percent of reported molestations,” p. 218.

    21. Freund, “Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality,” p. 197.

    22. Michele Elliott, “Chld Sexual Abuse Prevention: What Offenders Tell Us,” Child Abuse and Neglect 19 (1995): 581.

    23. The fact sheet discusses a study by Carole Jenny, et al., which claims that only 2 of 269 child molesters could be identified as gay or lesbian. Carole Jenny, et al., “Are Children at Risk for Sexual Abuse by Homosexuals?” Pediatrics 94 (July 1994): 41–44. However, the Jenny study utilized an atypical research technique: the reported child molesters themselves were not interviewed. Instead, the researchers relied upon the subjective opinions of “informants” who accompanied the child victim to the medical clinic. The qualifications for such “informants” to determine the sexual behavior of the accused molester were not established. However, once it is “determined” beforehand that pedophiles who molest boys cannot be considered gay or homosexual if they have had sexual relations with women, it is a foregone conclusion that few if any of the pedophiles –who often have girlfriends, are married, and have children – will be labeled homosexual. The Jenny study used this narrow profile despite the fact that the study itself found that 22 percent of the perpetrators were of the same sex as the victim. In these cases the molesters clearly engaged in homosexual sexual molestation.

    24. “Fact Sheet on Sexual Orientation and Child Abuse,” Human Rights Campaign (2001): available at: http://hrc.grassroots.com/family/soandchildabusefact/. The fact sheet discusses a study by Carole Jenny, et al., which claims that only 2 of 269 child molesters could be identified as gay or lesbian. Carole Jenny, et al., “Are Children at Risk for Sexual Abuse by Homosexuals?” pp. 41–44. However, the Jenny study utilized an atypical research technique. The reported child molesters themselves were not interviewed; instead, the researchers relied upon the subjective opinions of “informants” who accompanied the child victim to the medical clinic.

    25. Note that the well-accepted definition of “child” as someone between infancy and the age of maturation is employed here.

    26. John M. W. Bradford, et al., p. 218.

    27. “[pedophiles] can be of either sex or any [sexual] orientation, i.e., homosexual, heterosexual or bisexual.” Paedophilia: Some Questions and Answers (London: Paedophilic Informational Exchange, 1978); quoted in Seth L. Goldstein, “Investigating Child Sexual Exploitation: Law Enforcement’s Role,” FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin 53 (January 1984): 23.

    28. W. L. Marshall, et al., “Sexual Offenders against Male Children: Sexual Preferences,” Behavior Research and Therapy 26 (March 1988): 390.

    29. Kurt Freund, et al., “Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality,” p. 194.

    30. Ibid., p. 197.

    31. Bradford, et al., p. 217.

    32. Ibid., pp. 218, 219.

    33. Ibid., p. 390.

    34. Bickley, p. 56.

    35. Krisin A. Danni, et al., “An Analysis of Predicators of Child Sex Offender Types Using Presentence Investigation Reports,” International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative Criminology 44 (2000): 491.

    36. Zebulon A. Silverthorne & Vernon L. Quinsey, “Sexual Partner Age Preferences of Homosexual and Heterosexual Men and Women,” p. 70.

    37. Karla Jay and Allen Young, The Gay Report: Lesbians and Gay Men Speak Out about Sexual Experiences and Lifestyles (New York: Summit Books, 1979), p. 275

    38. W. L. Marshall, et al., “Sexual Offenders against Male Children: Sexual Preferences,” p. 383.

    39. W. L. Marshall, et al., “Early Onset and Deviant Sexuality in Child Molesters,” Journal of Interpersonal Violence 6 (1991): 323-336.

    40. W. D. Erickson, “Behavior Patterns of Child Molesters,” Archives of Sexual Behavior 17 (1988): 83.

    41. John F. Harvey, O.S.F.S., The Homosexual Person: New Thinking in Pastoral Care (San Francisco: Ignatius Press: 1987): 219

    42. Ibid., p. 221.

    43. Elliott, p. 581.

    44. W. L. Marshall, et al., “Sexual Offenders against Male Children: Sexual Preferences,” p. 383.

    45. Bradford, p. 219.

    46. Bradford, p. 224.

    47. “Understanding and Investigating Child Sexual Exploitation,” p. 2.

    48. Thorstad is co-author, with John Lauritsen, of The early homosexual rights movement (1864-1935) (New York: Times Change Press, 1974).

    49. David Thorstad, “May/Boy Love and the American Gay Movement” Journal of Homosexuality 20 (1990): 252.

    50. Ibid., p. 253.

    51. Ibid., p. 258.

    52. Ibid., p. 266.

    53. George Archibald, “U.N. Group Keeps Ban on Gay Lobby,” Washington Times (May 1, 2002).

    54. Raymond-Jean Frontain, “The Works of Allen Ginsberg,” Journal of Homosexuality 34 (1997).

    55. Mary Eberstadt, “‘Pedophilia Chic’ Reconsidered” The Weekly Standard 6 (January 8, 2001).

    56. Ibid., p. 21.

    57. Ibid., p. 22.

    58. Ibid.

    59. Ibid.

    60. Ibid., p. 23.

    61. Ibid. Emphasis added by Eberstadt.

    62. Ibid., p. 23.

    63. Ibid.

    64. From the Gay Men’s Press website: http://www.gmppubs.co.uk/cgi-bin/web_store/web_store.cgi

    65. Tom O’Carroll, Paedophilia: The Radical Case (Boston: Alyson Publications, 1982).

    66. Daniel Tsang, editor, The Age Taboo: Gay Male Sexuality, Power, and Consent (Boston: Alyson Publications ; London : Gay Men’s Press, 1981), p.144.

    67. Helmut Graupner, “Love Versus Abuse: Crossgenerational Sexual Relations of Minors: A Gay Rights Issue?” Journal of Homosexuality 37 (1999): 23, 26.

    68. Paula Martinac, “Mixed Messages on Pedophilia Need to be Clarified, Unified,” Washington Blade (March 15, 2002).

    69. Ibid.

    70. Marie, E. Tomeo, et al., “Comparative Data of Childhood and Adolescence Molestation in Heterosexual and Homosexual Persons,” Archives of Sexual Behavior 30 (2001): 539.

    71. Harry W. Haverkos, et al., “The Initiation of Male Homosexual Behavior,” The Journal of the American Medical Association 262 (July 28, 1989): 501.

    72. Watkins & Bentovim, p. 316.

    73. Gary A. Sawle, Jon Kear-Colwell, “Adult Attachment Style and Pedophilia: A Developmental Perspective,” International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative Criminology 45 (February 2001): 6.

    74. Cathy Spatz Widom, “Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse – Later Criminal Consequences,” Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse Series: NIJ Research in Brief, (March 1995): 1.

    75. Elliott, p. 582.

    76. Watkins, p. 319. Watkins mentions several studies confirming that between 19 percent and 61 percent of male sex abusers had previously been sexually abused themselves.

    Had enough or would you like more.

    A majority of the population is hetrosexual so it stands to reason that most paedophiles would be hetrosexuals.

    Since your in the business of quoting scientific theories which accompany physical evidendence perhaps you would like to show us how it is you know that we have a soul that lives forever and that jesus is going to return?

    One topic at a time.
    Are you going to addess the evidence presented or are you just going to pretend that you didn’t see it, and run away like a good little God-Hating reprobate?


  24. Silly question…..withdrawn

  25. ration_al Says:

    Immorality is not a question of sexual preference, but a question of honesty and respect, regardless of gender.
    The Chronicals of L-D167

    Appeal to anonymous authority

    “C’mon be honest with yourself and admit that you havent had a hankering for a little boy’s ass because we all know you do or did at some point in the practice of your abominable lust.”

    Im pretty sure i’ve never had a hankering for another male’s ass, let alone a little boy. Your beginning to sound more and more like Ted Haggard- the man on a witchhunt to free the world of homosexuality while getting reach arounds from a gay prostitute at the same time.

    How the hell did I draw the mexican rock farmer into this forum? I’m betting there will be plenty of pinata and cinco de mayo jokes next.
    Nothing you say makes any sense.
    Your posts are flatout pathetic and so are you for thinking you can sign up for a callout and not get your ass served to you on a steamed platter.
    What the hell does another pretender like Haggard have to do with the subject?All you are doing is laying down one strawman after the other.

    “Abundant observations from National and local news for starters…..scientic articles next,minister third and last….let’s have an honest look at just a few known facts.

    Homosexuals often like to have some kind of contact and influence on children. This is why they hang around Boy’s clubs, or become school teachers, and why many of them in America work at Walt Disney. Many of them are pedophiles and want to recruit or teach children to accept homosexuality”

    Sorry stooges but “because it said so on the news” and “my minister told me” doesnt cut it. I want to see real stats published by independant sources, not your annecdotal, cherry picked heresay that you’ve heard along the christian grape vine.

    So you left your brains in the toilet along with your logic and hypocrisy again I see.
    You cite news article after news article and when I present scientific evidence you think that by simply igoring it ,it won’t have an impact. I’m a bit discouraged now that I know I’m facing some gorilla-brained deviate who enjoys twaddling into the derriersof his betters.
    You need to get some game pal.
    You’re getting beaten to death in here.
    Do yourself a favor and quit while you are still behind.

    “Homosexuals are overrepresented in child sex offenses: Individuals from the 1 to 3 percent of the population that is sexually attracted to the same sex are committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children”

    So that leaves the other 2 thirds of child sex offences being committed by hetrosexuals. Many of them christian.

    Where are your citations?
    Unlike yourself I need proof because you’ve left your credibility in the crapper long ago.

    “A study in the Journal of Sex Research found, as we have noted above, that “approximately one-third of [child sex offenders] had victimized boys and two-thirds had victimized girls.”

    So thats 2/3rs (the majority) of child sex offences carried out by hetrosexuals.

    “This would indicate a proportional prevalence of 32 percent of homosexual offenders against children.”

    And the remaining 60% (the vast majority) carried out by hetrosexuals.

    For a 1 to 3% ratio of the population that’d make 90% of you faggots ankle biters.That clump of banana pudding you call a brain has once again striken the hell out of normalcy and relevance. Sometimes it really make me wonder whether you really are the crackhead mentally deranged chimpanzee you act like you are. Choke on your minute lies as I go do something better with my time, you stay comfy in your garbage can as I take a dump. Okay?

    Sorry stooges but you’ll need to try harder than that to prove that the ills of this world can be attributed to homosexuality.

    While we are on the subject of child abuse, lets quote your beloved text on some great passages:

    Hosea 13:16
    “Their infants shall be dashed in pieces and
    their women with child shall be ripped up.”

    Exodus 21:7-11 NLT
    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

    Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT
    Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.

    Deuteronomy 22:28-29
    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

    Judges 11:29-40
    So Jephthah led his army against the Ammonites, and the LORD gave him victory. He thoroughly defeated the Ammonites from Aroer to an area near Minnith – twenty towns – and as far away as Abel-keramim. Thus Israel subdued the Ammonites. When Jephthah returned home to Mizpah, his daughter – his only child – ran out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy. When he saw her, he tore his clothes in anguish. “My daughter!” he cried out. “My heart is breaking! What a tragedy that you came out to greet me. For I have made a vow to the LORD and cannot take it back.” And she said, “Father, you have made a promise to the LORD. You must do to me what you have promised, for the LORD has given you a great victory over your enemies, the Ammonites. But first let me go up and roam in the hills and weep with my friends for two months, because I will die a virgin.” “You may go,” Jephthah said. And he let her go away for two months. She and her friends went into the hills and wept because she would never have children. When she returned home, her father kept his vow, and she died a virgin. So it has become a custom in Israel for young Israelite women to go away for four days each year to lament the fate of Jephthah’s daughter

    If your going to use the bible as a moral guide for child welfare then your on the wrong side of this argument my friend.

    What’s your point with all of the copy and paste from an archive of thousands of posts from one of the thousands of alleged anti-Bible sites in cyberspace?
    I’ll give you the same challenge I gave DA.
    Give me your best Biblical inerrancy, and if I cannot address it in a logical and scientific way then I’ll admit that I’ve lost.But if your best Biblical inerrancy fails you then you must admit that you’ve failed.Winner take all.Your best and this is your one and only chance.

    You’re making references towards books your kindergarten-level cranium can’t even fathom and nobody’s being fooled, you crippled deluded howler monkey – the mental hospital doesn’t want you to damage your mentally sedated mind by reading anything other than The Cat in the Hat or Go! Train! It isn’t my fault you have got the IQ of a worm. Either way what you have displayed thus far isn’t anything that remotely resembles logic. Here, I’ll tell you what, when this thread is done, I’ll comeover to your trailer park, beat on your metal garbage can with a stick, and buy you a hamburger, you impotent despicable chattering howler monkey. I pity people like you.

  26. ration_al Says:

    A list of bigots and hypocrits from your side of the debate:

    Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy

    Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester

    Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

    Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

    Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered

    Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

    Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

    Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

    Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

    Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

    Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.

    Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

    Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

    Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

    Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

    Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

    Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

    Republican Congressman Edward Schrock resigned from Congress after he was caught searching for sex on a gay telephone service

    Republican Mayor Jim West Republican voter Timothy McVeigh bombed Oklahoma City championed an anti-gay agenda, but was later found to be gay himself

    Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren,has told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

    Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

    Robert Bauman, Republican congressman and anti-gay activist, was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. Source:
    Washington Blade

    Louis Beres, chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon. 3 of his family members accuse him of molesting them when they were pre-teens.

    Howard L. Brooks, Republican legislative aide and advisor to a California assemblyman, was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography

    Andrew Buhr, Republican politician, former committeeman for Hadley Township Missouri, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy

    Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

    Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

    Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

    Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

    Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

    Neal Horsley, anti-abortion activist. Has called for the arrest of all homosexuals. Admitted on the Fox News Radio’s The Alan Colmes Show, that he’s had sex with mules

    Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

    Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

    With so much hypocrisy coming from those who speak the loudest when it comes to homosexuality and child abuse i cant help but ask- are you a homosexual and/or paedophile?

    What is your point with the republican thing?
    It’s sensless and means nothing.
    These people were pretenders just like yourself and weren’t true Christians and no amount of posturing on your end can dispute that.

    HOW MANY DID ATHEIST COMMUNIST REGIMES AND ATHEISTS MURDER?
    Stalin himself is responsible for almost 43,000,000
    Communist China up to 1987, but mainly from 1949 through the cultural revolution, which alone may have seen over 1,000,000 murdered.
    Pol Pot and his crew likely killed some 2,000,000 Cambodians from April 1975 through December 1978 out of a population of around 7,000,000.
    Self Professed Atheist Ted Bundy eventually confessed to 30 murders.
    Self Professed Atheist Jeffrey Dahmer’s heart led him to murder and cannibalize his fellow humans.
    Wayne Lo: “I was always an atheist.”
    Idi Amin=est 150-300k
    Lenin=? Communist Russia total about 110 million people
    Hiter (was not religious, where in the hell do you fools you get your information?)6 million Jews, approximately 5 million more non-Jew Poles, Czech, Ukraine, etc. They were used under the “socially” unacceptable race category, not religion.
    And the beat goes on……..

  27. average joe Says:

    you know what you have both proven?????
    let me tell you, that there are fucked up people on both sides of the fence regardless of there veiws, religion or sexual prefrence

    athieststooges question do you honestly belive that there are no good homosexuals??
    do you honestly believe that all christians are good people??

    I honestly believe that your racing thoughts and repetivness are a byproduct of anxiety and OCD.
    Get that checked asap will ya?

  28. average joe Says:

    love is good right??
    caring is the object we seek?

    then what makes it different between homosexuals and heterosexuals??

    Science, logic, and survival via propagation is your answer.
    If Homosexuality were the norm then the world, and it’s inhabitants would have died out thousands of years ago.

  29. Kyle Johnson Says:

    Dear Mr Robert T Lee,

    I hope this e-mail finds you well.

    I have discovered on the following webpages of your websites: http://www.tencommandments.org/homosexual.html and https://atheiststooges.wordpress.com/2007/04/21/the-filth-of-homosexuality/

    That you are posting an e-mail sent from: gbains@hn.ozemail.com.au

    Please remove the e-mail sent from gbains@hn.ozemail.com.au. You do not have the relevant authority to publish it.

    Please advise when you will remove the e-mail response. Thanking you in advance for your co-operation.

    Kyle Johnson

  30. Allan Says:

    It’s widely accepted 2 legged mammals finding friendship and a ”good feeling” in excrement have severe Neuronal disconnects in their brain. These beings sickness, if left untreated (chemical carstration), will/has pollute/infect the health of creation.

    Repeated/continual representation is under way for Legislation to be introduced under the ”Health Dept” that Prohibits those – playing, fondling, fisting, smelling, fingering and Ingesting excrement (Homosexuals) – from preparing, handling and serving food
    .
    Why food ?Gays saliva, falls on the food EVERYTIME a Gay opens it’s mouth to exhale or speak.. The innocent children and frail should NEVER be subjected to the consequences of Gays filth.

    .

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